QUOTE:
"There is no there there."     
       Gertrude Stein (1874-1946)     
       American expatriate writer     
       Everybody's Autobiography (1937)     
       Speaking about Oakland, California 
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COUNTERQUOTE:
"The trouble with Oakland is that when you get there, it's there."  
       Herb Caen (1916-1997)     
       American newspaper columnist     
       Op-ed in in Newsweek, October 23, 1989 
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